Seems very much like indoctrination to get kids to “fall in line” and enforced conformity, to try to remove independent thinking.

I’ve always hated the idea of that. What do you think about it?

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    5 hours ago

    I think it is. It’s a capitalist attempt to break the spirit of the young and get people ready for having to wear uniforms for work.

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    No. The uniformity somewhat eliminates kids being picked on for being poor and not having the best department store clothes. Children will always be little shits to each other but uniforms at least removes one reason.

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    In my experience it seemed like uniforms were kinda another grift. You gotta buy everything just so from this specific place and you might never wear any of it again afterwards. I also got in trouble fairly frequently for accidentally having some part of my uniform out of order, which had more to do with forgetfulness or neurodivergence than anything.

    At the same time, I didn’t really feel like it interfered with my ability to think critically or independently, but that might just be me. I was always weird enough that anyone who would have bullied me over clothes would’ve bullied me over other stuff, and my head was in the clouds anyway so I hardly noticed what I was wearing.

    If anything, perhaps things like that biased my thinking in a libertarian direction, out of rebellion. It’s very easy to think that way when you’re young, and tired of parents and teachers telling you what to do.

    My mind works differently from most people’s and my experiences may be atypical. But when I googled for studies I found mixed results, it doesn’t appear that there are conclusive results showing a correlation between uniforms and academic performance.

    In any case, I think it’s that big of a deal. It is messed up, generally speaking, how little control kids have over their lives in the US and how people’s intrensic motivation is often killed off and they’re pushed around by extrensic motivators, rather than cooperating with what they actually want. I would say that uniforms can potentially contribute to that larger problem.

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    They’re about training children to comform and obbey arbitrary rules created by people in position of authority and to value impression more than behaviour.

    Of the countries I lived in, Britain was the one that had most of this shit and was also the one with the strongest “know your place” and “keep up appearences” mindsets of them all, especially amongst the middle and upper classes which were the ones were this shit was more common (there was a time of working class cultural significance during the 70s and 80s, which were a veritable explosion of creativity with movements like “punk”, but the social mobility and freedom that created it were crushed in the meanwhile, so working class kids can’t make it in the Arts anymore and that whole class is back at being culturally irrelevant outside fighting each other after football games).

    • Funny enough, my US schools didn’t regulate shoes, so kids would just get thousand-dollar designer shoes and “show off” anyways. Also, backpacks are not regulated. You could get bullied if your shoes or backback looks “cheap”.

      Also, the Android vs iPhone thing.

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    For me, the uniform was liberating. People who wanted to bully me needed to find something more substantive than just my clothes. Bullies tend to be stupid, so this was hard for them.

    If your individuality is all tied up in your physical appearance, try to develop your mind a bit. I am nonconformist in a thousand ways, each of which is more important than how i dress.

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      If your individuality is all tied up in your physical appearance, try to develop your mind a bit.

      Kind of condescending, no? Also, they’re kids. Teenagers especially are all about their phsyical appearance… and their minds are developing.

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    It’s only authoritarian if the teachers / administration also wear a similar uniform, but slightly different to denote rank.

    Otherwise, it’s actually accidentally kind of socialistic, in that the divisions of class between your peers becomes less obvious, and there’s more cohesion with your fellow students versus those in authority. It’s easier for the students to rally together against something when they’re all wearing the same thing.

    Otherwise, it’s actually beneficial to authoritarians to have no dress code, because student cliques would strengthen, and infighting would be more common.

    For the USA, think about how both major parties use color to help separate people. If the colors of Democrats and Republicans were the same though, the division would be weaker.

    Uniforms have historically been used to unify groups rather than to control them.

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      Socialism isn’t the opposite of authoritarian. It’s always authoritarian to mandate uniforms, it has benefits as you and others have outlined but you are stripping people of their individuality and mandating what people can do that’s classic authoritarianism

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      divisions of class between your peers becomes less obvious

      Nope! Kids will always find ways around that.

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    Soccer uniforms have to be same color too it’s not “authoritarianism.”

    Also idk about psychology but just a tiny bit of cohesion is much better over extreme individualism no?

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    There are valid arguments for and against, but I really don’t think the word ‘authoritarianism’ is at all applicable here.

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    My post history and reputation will back that I am left as fuck, but I love uniforms because I hate clothes and all the stupid ass stipulations society has purposely and inadvertently put on them. Spending any more than 5 secs selecting what’s gonna cover me for the day is already too long.

    Don’t get me wrong, I appreciate all the ideological arguments made against them, and don’t counter them, I simply yearn to live in a world where we’re ALL on the same team and working together, and what one wears means fuck and all.

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      Then we should work towards the goal that every kid has enough so they can wear whatever they want and it being accepted by the others rather then going the shortcut with uniforms and robing the kids, who want to express them self through cloths, of that choice.